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YOU DONT THINK BEHSEAR AND YUNG ARE IN BED! They are slumming together and everyone knows it. BESHEAR + YOUNG YOUNG + BESHEAR o difference. NO TO CASINOS

Wasn't William Yung the guy who washed out of American Idol then went on to make millions screeching "She bang, she bang..."???

If you are going to write a post about Casino Gaming and the first thing you write is about the "shady dealings" of Mr. Yung,
that alone, is reason enough for the writer of the post to think again.

If you think there is just one unsavory character that wants to make it big in Kentucky with Casinos, then you are very naive. There will be so much concealment in the license application one would have to travel the world to find out who the real applicant is that wants a Casino in Kentucky.

This business was started by GANGSTERS and has been the subject of many novels, movies, plays, . . . The Soprano's . . . was taken from real life and mixed with enough fiction to prevent liability.

Why is it we can see all the things that are connected with BIG TIME CRIME and enjoy the viewing but don't believe for a second any of it can be true.

Most of my exposure to writing has been that writers , begin novels with personal experience or an experience someone has related to them or from a documented event that has occurred.

I wish the writer would take time to Google and read more about the harmful impact of Casino Gambling, then maybe you might be able to put your BLIND LOYALTY aside and engage the logic which one can get from reading factual reports and not POLITICAL PERCEPTION.

Actually, the state should own the license and sub lease. But, then that would take away the huge amount this administration is touting that can be raised by selling license.

If the state owns the license then they can suspend any operation for illegal activity.

With private ownership one could SELL the gaming license to anyone that the gaming commission might approve if troubled developed.

Private ownership of GAMING LICENSE would be better regulated, with less economic impact, if the state owned the license.

You have no idea what you are talking about as usual JAS. I guess every village needs a village idiot.

JAS even mentioned The Soprano's as an example.

At least he has guts enough to sign his own name. I don't agree with Stivers logic and think he is looking tht this all wrong. The Christians in Kentucky will tell the casino bosses to pack salt. Steven Beshear is looking more and more like a tool and as of now is a one termer in the eyes of the Church.

And of course this Yung revelation was the subject of a major front page piece on today's Herald Leader. I agree with Mr. Stivers that Yung is but a microcosm of those who run casinos. We aren't likely to find people like Thomas Clark or Abraham Lincoln or other Kentuckians whom we admire in the corporate boardrooms of the "gaming" or gambling industries. That's because the entire business is built upon nothing but a scam--taking money from people while holding out the scant notion of a big payoff. Aspiring to people's lowest natures is not what government should be doing, just because it can.

This Stivers is wrong and so is bulletboy. Yung is not a microcosm of casino owners. He is far worse than the norm. Most people that run casinos want your money, so does wal mart but they know how to treat people, because people is thier business. Yung buys and sells, so to compare the entire industry to yung is stupid.

I tend to agree with ?Neveda Joe?, it's Nevada Joe, you obviously do not live there, this Yung is a stereotypical money grubber and nothing more. Sounds like knows nothing about the casino business.

oops he did spell it right, sorry.

Could Steven Beshear be a gangster himself? I wonder what kind of trouble he will be in if he fails to bring casinos to Kentucky?

Nevada Joe, that's not the greatest analogy. The difference between casinos and WalMart is when I go to WalMart and give them my money I walk out with something every time; something I chose to walk out with when I walked in. And to say Yung is worse than most is damning with faint praise. But I am certain there is some truth in that statement because the regulators seem to see it that way, also. But the fact that he is lurking in this state, contributing to politicians, after being run out of other states isn't good. That much everyone seems to agree on.

As said before "the devil will be in the details". The bill and enabling legislation does not have a chance unless it clearly spells out who, what, when and where. If it does not contain language to stop Yung it will always be pay back for his million dollar contribution and even if it gets past the legislature it will not pass in November without tight rules.

The above is not spin just a personal observation.

As said before "the devil will be in the details". The bill and enabling legislation does not have a chance unless it clearly spells out who, what, when and where. If it does not contain language to stop Yung it will always be pay back for his million dollar contribution and even if it gets past the legislature it will not pass in November without tight rules.

The above is not spin just a personal observation.

Well Said.

I have been to the "family oriented casinos" in person, believe in them they do exist. When Casinos are properly located and managed by LOCAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT the economic benefits far out number the few external negative impacts. You walk in under the Neon lights to four star restaurants. There are guarded arcades for minors. You can could gamble for a nickel all night long with a friend. Security was everywhere. Did not see one drunk and disorderly. Not one individual was being forced to gamble. The state and local governments where raking in the tax revenues which actually went to grade school and middle school students. But then Hurricane Katrina washed it all away. Do your research and prove it all to be fiction. Vote now and often it is your civic duty. And please pull the Big D every November.

You Bet Your Life (FACT)

Reports that the number of aggravated assaults in gambling counties in the United States (US) increased after the casinos opened there. Increase in the number of counties in the US with casinos between 1990 and 1996; Spending behavior of gambling addicts; Suggestion to counties considering casinos.
By: Camille Chatterjee

Read the full report here:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-19991101-000003.html


jas in frankfort

FACT

But over time," he explains, "shady, unattractive things begin to happen." Local crime rates returned to average after three years and went up thereafter: The number of aggravated assaults in gambling counties, for example, increased by 112 five years after the casinos opened there.

One reason may be that the slots and tables attract unsavory characters. "The people who go to Las Vegas are very different from those who go to Orlando," Mustard points out.

THIS IS THE URL FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE ABOVE POST;

"You bet your life from Psychology today."


http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-19991101-000003.html

Don’t take my word for this, read this special report, you can read the full report

http://www.suicidereferencelibrary.com/test4~id~14 69.php

FACT KENTUCKY HAS THE SECOND HIGHEST SUICIDE RATE AMONG CHILDREN. AND, IF CASINO’S COME, THAT NUMBER, ACCORDING TO NATIONAL SCIENTIFIC SURVEYS, WILL DOUBLE.

Does that bother you?

“It certainly bothers me.”

“I just wanna say.”
Jim Anderson Stivers
These are established facts!

These are the problems one does not see riding in a limo to the neon lights of Vegas. The money from gaming, in Nevada, has done little to improve the quality of life for those that live in Vegas and Reno.

There exist - a factual report- on this troubling part of the Casino Issue.

And Dr. Rick you are right if you just visit a short time in Vegas however, the over all quality of life, by national standards in low.

Nevada leads the nation in Bankruptcy.

Wonder Why?


In summary, some states tend to have high crime rates, whereas others tend to have lower crime rates (for an infinite number of reasons ranging from population density, to unemployment, to the number of teenage boys from single-parent households, etc.). States with higher crime rates take steps to address that problem. That's why New York has both a higher crime rate and more police officers per capita than Vermont.

Abstract
Research on the police–crime relationship generally shows police levels have little impact on crime rates. Two recent studies [Criminology 34 (1996) 609; American Economics Review 87 (1997) 270.] presented evidence that prior police–crime studies were methodologically flawed and found that increased police levels reduced crime. Using county-level data collected from Florida for the period 1980–1998 and a multiple time series (MTS) design, this study revisited the police–crime relationship. for a sample of large cities, the study found that increased police levels reduced most types of crime at the county level. Similar results have now been reported in three recent studies using similar research designs but different units of analysis and time periods. Due to this, prior research showing no relationship between police levels and crime should be reconsidered.
The increased crime rates in Casino Counties is a direct result of population growth, and not enough police. Read the research not just the magazine article.

Nevada Joe, you must be proud that Nevada rakes in the most money for casinos. After all, Nevada is the wonderful world of casino capital.

If gambling was the cure-all to pay for healthcare, education and other social programs then Nevada would be top in education, have the fewest uninsured, and the lowest teen suicide rate, right Nevada Joe?

I say we just look at Nevada, the casino capital of the world, and see how they live given all that casino money.

1. Nevada has one of the HIGHEST drop out rate of any state in the country.

2. Nevada ranks dead LAST for the number of students who go directly to college after graduation, according to National Center for Public Policy and Higher Education.
"Nevada has one of the lowest graduation rates in 9th through 12th grades, and one of the lowest college-going rates in the country as well as one of the lowest college graduation rates," said Patrick Kelly of the National Center for Higher Education Management Systems."

3. 2007 Nevada Kids Count Data Book, produced by the Center for Business and Economic Research at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas
a. cites an increase in the number of students living in poverty.

b. One in five people moving to Las Vegas for low-skill service jobs have a sixth-grade education or lower, the report states.

c. It (Nev. Kids Count Data Book) also blames the gaming industry, for creating disincentives for some students to remain in school.

4. In 2006, Nevada ranked 7th highest in the nation for the percentage of UNINSURED.

5. In 2003, Nevada had the 3rd highest percentage of uninsured children in the nation who did not receive needed care.

6. The percentage of uninsured children in Nevada has been higher than the national average every year since 1990.

Mr. Jim A. Stivers recently wrote that government is duty-bound to take care of and protect the PEOPLE of the state -- Stiver's words are fact - that IS the role of government.

To Governor Beshear I say, "Take care of the PEOPLE before the PURSE."

One more study regarding Nevada, casino capital of the world ....

The study by the Fordham Institute for Innovation in Social Policy reserved the ''social recession'' designation given to Nevada for the eight states that ranked the worst -- from 43rd to 50th -- in a composite of 16 social indicators, including such things as infant mortality and average wages, based on data from 2000.

* The survey found that Nevada was 50th in the nation in suicide among the elderly and food stamp coverage,

* 49th in high school completion

* 47th in teenage drug abuse.

* Nevada ranked 46th in homicides,

* 44th in teenage suicide.

* Nevada ranked 43rd in child abuse.

* Its only ranking in the top 10 was 4th for ''housing cost burden,'' a measure of the average construction cost of a house in relation to per capita income.

There are no dreams in Nevada. Is that what we want HERE, in our old Kentucky home?

Does Yung have a lobbyist making money?

SORRY GUYS BUT YOUR STATS JUST DO NOT ADD UP

EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT

Population 25 years and over 1,310,176 100.0
Less than 9th grade 84,237 6.4
9th to 12th grade, no diploma169,137 12.9
High school graduate (includes equivalency) 384,270 29.3
Some college, no degree 353,797 27.0
Associate degree 80,860 6.2
Bachelor's degree 158,078 12.1
Graduate or professional degree 79,797 6.1
Percent high school graduate or higher 80.7 (X)
Percent bachelor's degree or higher 18.2 (X)

TOTAL 100.00

It appears that Nevada places significantly above Kentucky in higher education obtained 51.4% to 40.65. Kentucky also places significantly behind Nevada for those without any high school diploma and those with less than 9th grade 25.9% to 19.3%. Kentucky places higher than Nevada with overall high school graduates 33.6% to 29.3%

ONCE AGAIN SORRY GUYS YOUR STATS JUST DO NOT ADD UP

EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT KENTUCKY

Population 25 years and over 2,646,397 100.0
Less than 9th grade 309,293 11.7
9th to 12th grade, no diploma 375,707 14.2
High school graduate (includes equivalency) 888,277 33.6
Some college, no degree 490,170 18.5
Associate degree 129,481 4.9
Bachelor's degree 271,418 10.3
Graduate or professional degree 182,051 6.9
Percent high school graduate or higher 74.1 (X)
Percent bachelor's degree or higher 17.1 (X)

Nevada Joe, All of the stats above regarding Nevada are correct. If you want to challenge the stats on Nevada provided above I suggest you take your complaint to the professional experts who generated the stats you claim are wrong:

1. University Nevada Las Vegas
http://www.unlv.edu/centers/cdclv/healthnv/healthcare.html

2. Las Vegas Review Journal
http://www.lvrj.com/news/9945261.html

3. Las Vegas Sun Newspaper
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2007/aug/05/elders-deepen-tragedy-of-states-suicide-rate/

Dr. Rick, sorry the above post was actually for Dr. Rich not meant for Nevada Joe.

Additional links you may feel free to contact and challenge their stats are:

page 6 -of Nevada Medicine 2003
http://www.medicine.nevada.edu/news/UNR_Tab6_Final.pdf

The Nevada Medicine News prints the below on page 6 of the pdf file:
Child Abuse Rank 41st ... Grade F

Teen Suicide rank 44th. ... Grade F

High School Completion rank 49th ... Grade F

Health Insurance Coverage rank 41st. .. Grade F

Suicide those over 65 rank 50th ... Grade F

Homicides rank 46th.... Grade F

Food Stamp Coverage 50th ... Grade F.

Dr. Rick, after you've reviewed what the experts have written and data they've collected read the New York Times article here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/30/national/30VEGA.html?ei=5007&en=6c79f3ea1a265824&ex=1401249600&partner=USERLAND&pagewanted=print&position=

By the number of food stamp people & uninsured, the taxpayer of Nevada has a HEAVY burden that isn't even being met. Is THAT what you want for Kentucky?

Dr. Rick, I'll continue to believe the stats provided by the experts until they ALL issue a retraction saying your data is accurate and their data is wrong. I won't hold my breath though.

BTW: Dr. Rick, if Nevada places higher in social issues than Ky. and Nevada has all those F's. Just imagine how much LOWER Kentucky will go if we have casinos like Nevada has.

Dr. Rick, after you've read all those stats by the professionals you should contact Patrick Kelly of the National Center for Higher Education Management Systems who said, Nevada ranks dead LAST for the number of students who go directly to college after graduation, according to National Center for Public Policy and Higher Education."

"Nevada has one of the lowest graduation rates in 9th through 12th grades, and one of the lowest college-going rates in the country as well as one of the lowest college graduation rates," said Patrick Kelly of the National Center for Higher Education Management Systems."

I'm sure he'll be delighted to enlighten you on how bad off the kids in Nevada are

I don't think Rick is a Doctor! Just a pro casino person, wishing to make it appear people of intellect want casinos in Kentucky.

If Rick is a doctor, I have the same problem with his ethics as I do Dr. Dan.

A physician pledges to save lives and help people that are sick and to attempt to make sure they get intelligent advice from their Physician.

So how does support of an issue that is the number one MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE in the UNITED STATES, follow the guidelines of the PHYSICIANS OATH?

It doesn't.

Then perhaps Dr Rick is a Vet . . .Now thats a Doctor. Maybe that is why he favors Casinos? His clients are HORSES.

Wow JAS Insult all Vets Smooth Move. Anyhow, I never met a person who disregarded actual US Census Bureau Statistics. Be as it may Nevada Beats Kentucky hands down as it currently stands percentage wise on higher education attained by population. You keep blaming poor investments and bad parenting on gambling. Hey it does not add up. You disregard that the Democrats of Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, NEVADA, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma and Rhode Island love the Casinos for the number of created jobs and the amount of tax dollars generated. Leave your Bible of Statistics at home, this is an economic issue not an oppressive moral dictatorship. Kentuckians will eventually vote for Casinos no matter how much you cry, not matter how hard you pray. Heck even when the Roman Soldiers gambled over the garments of Jesus they came away happy with the goods. You can quote all the pseudo-scientific studies you want. Money talks, crap walks.

Dr. Rick, I think you are a liar and a fraud.

Nevada has historically had a higher drop out rate than Kentucky.

Your BS numbers above come with no link and NO DATE as to when alleged data was compiled.

Why is that Dr. Rick, why no links to your BS lies?

Prove, via link your stats, if you can.

EVERYONE LIED. ESPECIALLY YOU NO NAME.

WASHINGTON – June 21, 2006 - The national dropout rate is notoriously hard to pin down, and the latest effort to do so - showing alarmingly low graduation rates in some parts of America - is likely to intensify the statistics wars.
Nearly 1 in 3 high school students in the Class of 2006 will not graduate this year, the Editorial Projects in Education (EDE) Research Center reported Tuesday.
The picture is worse for urban school districts, especially those serving poor students, the new study shows. Graduation rates in the largest school districts range from 21.7 percent in Detroit and 38.5 percent in Maryland's Baltimore County to 82.5 percent in Virginia's Fairfax County.
It's the first in an annual Graduation Project series, supported by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. The most detailed analysis covers the 2002-03 school years, using the most recent data available. A feature of the new study makes it possible for readers to create a report for each district, including comparisons with state and national figures.
"Our research paints a much starker picture of the challenges we face in high school graduation. When 30 percent of our ninth-graders [ultimately] fail to finish high school with a diploma, we are dealing with a crisis that has frightening implications for our ... future," says Christopher Swanson, director of the EDE Research Center.
The trouble is, it may not be accurate.
Some education groups praised the study as an important contribution to the field of dropout statistics. "It's going to help people understand that we can't deny or ignore this crisis anymore," says Ross Wiener of the Education Trust.
Others, who see such studies as overblown, were as quick to denounce it. "Swanson's measure is seriously inaccurate," says Larry Mishel of the Economic Policy Institute and author of another study on dropout rates. "It's ... inappropriate for comparisons across states and school districts, the reason being that his formula is very much affected by how much grade retention there is in ninth and 10th grade. Any school that retains students in ninth grade is automatically going to look worse, whether graduation rates really are lower [there] or not," he said of the new report.
His own report, based on the US Education Department's National Educational Longitudinal Study, suggests that in 1992, 78 percent of students received a regular diploma, rising to 83 percent by 1994. For African-American students, whose graduation rates lag behind the US average, the figure rose from 63 percent to 74 percent over that period.
In fact, education experts say, none of the existing dropout-rate data gives a full picture. Governors are making changes that will yield better counts within a few years, they add.
Accurate reporting is important because so much education policy now turns on statistics. Misleading data can do harm, says Jack Jennings of the Center on Education Policy. "If you raise doubts about the effectiveness of the schools, you can put into disrepute people's efforts to reduce dropout rates. If you use less dramatic data, you can lull people into complacency." Accurate numbers are needed, he says, "Before we can fashion some solution."
A new report on high school graduation rates sharply criticizes states for fudging statistics on dropouts and for setting "appallingly low" goals for boosting the number of students who get diplomas.

While boosting student achievement has become a national priority for politicians and education officials, the report laid bare states' inability to accurately track high school dropouts.

The report, "Getting Honest About Grad Rates: How States Play the Numbers and Students Lose," also rebukes the U.S. Department of Education (DOE) for allowing states to report inaccurate graduation rates without consequence.

Two years after first reporting severe gaps in state dropout data, the Education Trust analysis released June 23 found few examples of improvement and continued patterns of states inflating graduation rates.

While President Bush and the nation's governors want to reform America's high schools -- which have slipped to 17th place among developed nations in graduation rates -- unreliable information on dropouts is threatening to undermine those efforts, said Kate Haycock, director of the Education Trust, a nonprofit organization that works to increase academic achievement in schools.

"We've got to end this rampant dishonesty about graduation rates if we are going to prepare students for the challenges of college, work and life," Haycock said. Education Trust receives some of its funding from the The Pew Charitable Trusts, which also funds Stateline.org.

The report examines the 2002-2003 graduation-rate data reported by states to the federal government in January 2005. Three states -- Alabama, Louisiana and Massachusetts -- did not report any graduation rates. Officials in those states said they did not yet have data-collecting systems in place to calculate graduation rates.

The report found that most states exaggerated their graduation rates by ignoring students who dropped out of high school before their senior year. Nationally, states reported an average graduation rate of 83 percent, far higher than independent measures, which estimate that at least 30 percent of public high school students nationwide fail to graduate in four years.

The report commended only two states -- Alaska and Washington -- for reporting realistic graduation rates. Measuring the percent of freshman who finish high school in four years, Alaska and Washington reported gradation rates of 67 and 66 percent respectively.

Washington state Superintendent of Schools Terry Bergeson said parents and school officials were shocked to learn the severity of the state's dropout problem.

"We're taking some heat for our honesty, but it's a wake-up call for us," Bergeson said during a telephone press conference.

New Mexico, for example, reported to DOE a graduation rate of almost 90 percent, one of the nation's highest. However, the state does not track the percentage of freshman who graduate, only seniors. This ignores students who dropped out in the 9th, 10th and 11th grades. State education officials said they are in the process of developing a new system to more accurately track dropouts by the 2005-2006 school year.

"It's astonishing that states are trying to pass off these numbers as legitimate," said Daria Hall, author of the report and a policy analyst at the Education Trust. "Rather than confront our very real dropout problem, many states have chosen to bury it beneath false data."

Broken down by race, nearly half of Hispanic, African-American and Native American students who start secondary school never receive a diploma, according to independent reports. Education advocates have been warning that lower-performing groups of students, such as minorities, low-income and disabled students, may choose or be encouraged to drop out as standardized testing pressures increase.

"If you're going to raise accountability in your education system, then you don't want to disguise the fact that that pressure may be nudging kids out of the system to bring a school's overall (test result) numbers up," said Bergeson of Washington state.

The report blamed the federal government for failing to exert more pressure on states to get honest about their dropout problems. Tracking and improving high school graduation rates is one of the requirements of Bush's No Child Left Behind Act, which also requires states to demonstrate student achievement on reading and math tests in grades three through eight and once in high school, or face sanctions.

States are "making a mockery" of the federal requirement and avoiding penalties by setting "appallingly low" graduation-rate goals, the report asserted. The goals set by New Mexico and North Carolina, for example, are simply not to let graduation rates get worse. Thirty-one other states set no specific goals for improving graduation rates, but count any improvement as good enough.

U.S. Secretary of Education Margaret Spellings has been highlighting the magnitude of high dropout rates as she presses for high school reform, said Education Department spokesperson Susan Aspey. The department plans to announce recommendations for states to better calculate graduation rates later this summer, she said.

"Since you can't fix problems if you don't know about them, it's absolutely vital that states get the necessary systems in place so parents and the public know the true extent of the dropout problem," Aspey said in an e-mail.

Other findings:
• Seven states -- Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Oklahoma and Vermont -- did not break down dropout data by student subgroups, hiding dropout disparities between white and minority students.
• 29 states did not report dropout rates for students with disabilities.
• 33 states did not report dropout rates among low-income students or students with limited English proficiency.

This is a human thing.

In Maryland the state cost for treating and dealing with conditions, problems from gambmling addicts is over one billiion dollars.

If the net income does not meet the needs for treamment for problem and compulsive gamblers then how does a state aquire the extra money. Gamling alone will not pay for it, unless states add part of the proceeds from their part . . .for mental health treatment.

It is not the goverments place, to put before its citzens, a game of chance in order to support the political pork.

New England Journal of Med says Gambling is the number one mental health probelem in the usa.

In Kentucky we have 36,000 gambling addicts, remember now we are horse race heaven, if gamling passes within five years
over 100,000 Kentucky Citizens will have a gambling prolbem...because they drank the gambling cool aid.

Its a "CHICKEN TAX" for politico that know a tax increase in real property or income tax, would be the act that cost them their huge retirements.

Latest news: Kentucky Legislature is in session now and it appears Steve Beshear's gambling issue will not make it out of any committee.

jas in kentucky

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