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January 17, 2008

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Shack, Your first mistake was believe anything Mark Nickolas ever wrote.

Second, You are the accuser. In this democracy, our country that you fought for, the burden of proof is on the accuser, YOU.

If you want to verify one more lie Mark Nickolas wrote, why don't YOU contact the person that allegedly told Nickolas the story you printed?

Gosh, whats wrong with YOU verifying YOUR post? Most responsible people would verify what they write and if they were wrong in their post they correct the mistake by issuing a retraction.

I can't even count the number of unsubstantiated lies Nickolas wrote. I do know that when he was proven WRONG he would NEVER retract his mistake and, not only that, he would then delete and ban people who would prove him wrong.

You are the accuser, you contact the alleged source from Nickolas.

It's funny that this blog started out as the anti-Nickolas blog, now look at it.

KEEP originally did a very good job of disguising its true pro-gambling intentions. In the rural counties it markets itself as this benevolent group that promotes horse shows, trail rides, draft horses, etc. -- anything and all things relating to equines except racing and the attendant betting. Most people who threw in with KEEP in the rural areas probably would not have done so had they known KEEP's feigned interest in promoting the horse industry in Kentucky was really a smokescreen for casinos.

Shack,

I read your post & Mr. Hack's post. From reading his post -- I don't see where he comes out & says anything about KEEP at all. In fact, he wrote to you, that if YOU want the truth behind your post he'd be happy to talk with you about it. Why don't you just call him up and discuss the facts that he seems so willing to talk to you about?

You wrote, "If you stand beside the Family Foundation .... especially if you act as a Democrat while standing with that group." I think your comment is immature, for lack of a better word. There are many democrats who oppose casino gambling ... are you saying they should not stand with the FF on this one particular issue.

James Anderson Stivers is a democrat who will probably vote no on casinos if casinos are on the ballot. He certainly does not support FF but - he does agree with them on their opposition of casinos. Are you saying casinos are a republican v. democrat issue? I don't think so. Like I said, many democrats, like JAS, don't want casinos in this state and that does not make JAS any less a democrat.

I'm a democrat and I, like JAS, oppose casinos in this state. I'm actually surprised that some democrats even want casinos in this state. You see, many democrats think it's a poor man's tax and it will increase crime -- both of those things together is NOT the democratic platform. The democratic platform is to "take care of those who cannot take care of themselves." So, for democrats to want to increase the financial burden by having another "poor man's tax" is NOT the democratic platform.

I like betting on horses, but I oppose the lottery and casinos in this state. I couldn't care less if you think that's being hypocritical or not ... I don't think it is. I don't think opposing a "poor man's tax" is hypocritical. See, I don't view betting on horses as a poor man's tax. That's why I don't think JAS or I are hypocritical.

As for you claim that Mr. Hack is a hypocrite. He has extended the opportunity for you to talk to him to discuss the truth about what you wrote. Why don't you take him up on his offer. Who knows, maybe you'll walk away, still wanting casinos, but not thinking he's a hypocrite?

BTW: I know some dems who voted for the lottery who now think the lottery was a bad idea. Does that make them hypocrites? No, I don't think so. I think it simply means, now they see the lottery money does not go where we were told it would go, and now they see it really is a poor man's tax ... they have changed their minds. Those same people will most likely vote no on the ballot if casinos get to the ballot.

9:07 - KEEP is still doing a good job hidding their casino agenda. Heck, just go to their website --- all you see is fluff about horse riding, trail rides, 4H ... but nothing about casinos and especially no mention that in 2006 they pushed a BILL, to become law, that would grant the horse industry 64% of casino proceeds.

I already know from reading the comments on this blog that less than 1/2% of the voters on this blog even knew that KEEP wanted a LAW allowing the horse industry any money from casino proceeds in 2006 -- let alone 64% of casino proceeds.

I agree with the poster that said,

"The only thing a politician loves more than money is an uninformed voter."

9:29 - You're lack of education is showing. Plus, I couldn't less if you think I'm a hypocrite. I'm sure JAS doesn't either. I still oppose the lottery & casinos no matter what you think of me.

Dumbsh*t Fat F*cking Hack. Not even worth the time, Shack!

Anyone that ok's church bingo, drinks alcohol at home, or smokes, and then thinks these things are ok, well, they must believe that having babies has nothing to do with sex! God have mercy on the lowest sinner in Dante's Inferno; the hippocrite.


The project amount by KEEP of $500 M was bogus all along. It was a carrot to get peoples attention.

And it worked, for a time!

The projected figure, by the LRC is suspect also. As you can see, the public was intentionally lied to, since the beginning of this issue. There are two things one needs to remember, one is PERCEPTION. (That is politicos’ REALITY). ..Second is PLAUSIBLE DENIEABILITY.

PERCEPTION WE KNOW and it is practiced with professionalism by politicians and trial Attorneys.

PLAUSIBLE DENIEABILITY. This expression surfaced during WATERGATE, remember WATERGATE? And the definition is . . . well the lie has some substance to it, but is not exactly the truth.

Politicians and Attorneys’ LOVE THIS EXPRESSION. PLAUSIBLE DENIEABILITY.

I find it difficult to believe anything the Phantom Survey has to report. Many knew, suspected, all the time, the 500M figure was bogus, but we could not prove it, because the survey that gathered that information, was never made public.

Now you have to ask yourself, WHAT ELSE WAS PLAUSIBLE DENIEABILITY? If the new survey figures, published in the Herald Leader, are in any way accurate . . . we already see the first big LIE. Now that being a fact, now that we have some vague idea of the revenue generated, how can a voter trust anything the CURRENT ADMINISTRATION has to report about this issue? Brer Jones knew all along the survey they were reporting, was weighted. Why take a survey if you can’t get the survey to agree with your claim?

It is a vision, sought by the THOROUGHBRED BREEDERS to make more profit. As if Thoroughbred Breeders need the money. Are there any- less than rich- Breeders?

And why do we not tax the stud fees for out of state buyers. Surely the Sheiks and the Japanese could afford a few more dollars in tax. So why give this money away.

Now the Breeders will tell you to promote buying Kentucky Thoroughbreds. There may be some truth to that, but . . .If a syndicate ( A SYNDICATE is several RICH FOKES who put the money together, to buy THOROUGHBRED HORSES, can afford that kind of an investment,then buyers who can afford to pay, sometimes MILLIONS for HORSE FLESH so why not a few dollars more for the tax?

The Cigarette Tax. The most acceptable way, to get a tax increase, is a SIN TAX so the government taxes the people that smoke cigarettes and cigars and dip snuff. That is an unfair tax.

A tax, that would impact all Kentuckians, is the GASOLINE TAX. That way, citizens from all economic backgrounds will be paying for the tax that is needed. Not just the few that are weak and undisciplined who gamble away the family money.

So, if you are think CASINO’S are the MIRACLE IN KENTUCKY, then maybe, after reading the latest survey you will clearly see . . . THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN LIED TO all along. And to me that is just plain wrong. What do you bloggers think?

I mean besides KELSEY.

This is a set up deal from the very beginning. Especially since years ago the Horse Lobby was embarrassed by BOP TROT.

Now, with CASINO'S the margins of profit are much better. So why would it not make sense that, in time, we will see an even larger scandal that BOPTROT.

“I just wanna say!”
Jim Anderson Stivers Frankfort, KY.

To the poster commenting about party affilication.

This issue is not a D or R issue. It is a HUMAN ISSUE. I have posted no religious inferences in my long list of post opposing gambling.

I have posted FACTS. SCIENTIFIC REPORTS and proven facts about the cost of treating compulsive gamblers. Nothing Evangelical in this at all. However, I welcome anyone with an Evangelical view on this subject.

The important thing for voters in the rural populations to remember of the nearly 60,000 Kentuckians that will be impact if Casino Gaming is approved.

This a an issue about A STAND UP for those that are not properly infomred as the dangers of compulsive and problem gaming.

Sure it a rush to pull the one arm bandit handle, but just think about this every dollar you give to a wealthy Casino owner will not stay in Kentucky.

And in time 60,000 citizens will be faced with one of the most difficult illness they have ever encountered.

Again, the KEEP FIGURES are enrouious and we were lied to in order to compensate for those that might see such a large number and figure, well . . . with the 500M from Casiono's our money woes are over.

Don't you belive it, the more money the General Assembly receives the more Pork is returned their districts.

So, if you are HUMAN PERSON and EVANGELICAL PERSON OR an EDUCATED PERSON read the facts about this issue.

The New England Journal of Medicine reports
GAMING IS THE NUMBER ONE MENTAL ILLNESS IN AMERICA.

And, no wonder with the heavy saturation of gaming near our geograhpy, and there seems to be no end to the greed.

I want to thank this poster for the work done on trying to make sense of the cost of treating compulsive gamblers.

This report, by a blogger is the official report from the state that has gambling at casino's. jas ..

It's clear from the data popping up comparing that social and financial cost of compulsive gamblers does not justify putting casinos in this state.

From the Missouri Department of Mental Health, Division of Alcohol and Drug Abuse

"The impact of a gambling addiction far exceeds the obvious financial losses incurred by the repeated gambling. For example:
- Studies indicate 25-50 percent of spouses of problem gamblers have been abused.

- Children of compulsive gamblers are often prone to suffer abuse, as well as neglect.

- Children of problem gamblers are at a higher risk of developing health threatening behaviors, including alcohol and drug abuse, problem gambling, eating disorders, depression, and suicide.

Extent of Problem

- Adolescent prevalence rates of problem gambling are 2-4 times that of adults. The highest rates reported are among those 18-25 years of age.

- The estimated annual cost for problem and pathological gamblers is $5 billion per year and an additional $40 billion in lifetime costs for productivity reductions, social service, and creditor losses. (WOW!!!! THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY!!)

- Each problem gambler negatively impacts 10 to 17 people around them, including family, employer, co-workers, and government.

Sources
National Council on Problem Gambling
Nevada Council on Problem Gambling
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (Fourth Edition, 1994), commonly known as DSM-IV, published by the American Psychiatric Association
National Gambling Impact Study Commission

Final Report (1999)
Politzer RM, Yesalis CE, Hudak CJ. 1992. The epidemiologic model and the risk of legalized gambling: Where are we headed? Health Values 16:20-27

For more information, contact the
Missouri Department of Mental Health, Division of Alcohol and Drug Abuse
P.O. Box 687, 1706 East Elm
Jefferson City, MO 65102
573-751-4942
1-800-364-9687

You want to know something JAS ol boy? We already have a state full of problem gamblers with no way to get help. We also have an easy, $100+million a year illegal gaming industry in this state. Is Indiana, Mizz or Illinois paying for our problem gamblers? NOPE

I get tired of the do-gooders who don't mind banning smoking, but won't let people vote on EXPANDING gambling (hint: We already GOT gambling in the Commonwealth!)

Posts your name 11:06


Yes, we have problem gamblers in Kentucky. We have had horse racing for centuries.
I might point out I have known several people that became compulsive gamblers by playing the innocent game. . .BINGO.

If you like the color and atmosphere of horse racing, and many do, I do, then when you go to track (I go to the track) I enjoy betting on the Thoroughbreds, but I never bet more than I can afford to loose, which,
is not much.

To play 9 races, with a $2.00, takes all afternoon. So if you are one of those "cheap betters" like me, in a days time you would spend $18.00 on betting.

Sure, it is not the kind of customer the racetrack wants to see. I have associates, that sometimes bet up to $1000.00, on a HORSE RACE. And to them, loosing that amount of money is no big deal.

Now lets step inside the Casino Hall.

There are two elderly ladies, with grey hair playing the slot machines. They have a bucket of coins. Each time they pull the hammer, on the one arm bandit, they, most of the time, loose their money. It only takes about ten seconds to load the machine, so the conditions for loosing more exist. And the odds are always in favor of the CASINO, but we know that don't we?

Now, if the State of Kentucky can have Casino's and lets just say, for example, others are like me, cheap betters, but enjoy the sport, how can we help those that step over the edge.

There is no way, this state can pay for the health care cost and support the huge budget short fall in the present administration with Casino Gaming. PERIOD!!!

I don't know how much one of those SLOT BUCKETS at the Casino hold, but I would venture to say, it a lot more than $18.00.

In my post all I am asking people to do is read the down side of this issue. There does exist a very, very serious down side and the public needs to know this.

However, except for a blog or two where we can speak, without an EDITOR policing our comments, the net is the only place where you can disclose both sides of an issue.

You won't see THE REAL ISSUE in the newspapers and on TV. But, you can exercise your FREEDOM OF SPEECH by going to a BLOG AND EXPRESSING YOUR OPINION.

THE NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE REPORTS GAMING IS THE NUMBER ONE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE IN THE UNITED STATES.

FYI, FACTS . . .

THE SUICIDE RATE, OF CHILDREN, FROM A FAMILY WITH A COMPULSIVE GAMBLER, ARE TWO TIMES THE RATE OF THOSE THAT ARE NOT EXPOSED TO GAMING.

There are more facts, to me these stand out pretty strong. And,if we get Casinos in time 60,000 Kentucky residents will be COMPULSIVE GAMBLERS.

Don't believe it, look at the stats on Maryland. (59,000 Compulsive\Problem gambles. The Maryland stats are a little less than the amount of my demographics, but the actually truth is. . . . It is very addictive entertainment and we should not heap that on the backs of those than can least afford to loose their money.

"I just wanna say!"
Jim Anderson Stivers
Frankfort, KY.

Posts your name 11:06


Yes, we have problem gamblers in Kentucky. We have had horse racing for centuries.
I might point out I have known several people that became compulsive gamblers by playing the innocent game. . .BINGO.

If you like the color and atmosphere of horse racing, and many do, I do, then when you go to track (I go to the track) I enjoy betting on the Thoroughbreds, but I never bet more than I can afford to loose, which,
is not much.

To play 9 races, with a $2.00, takes all afternoon. So if you are one of those "cheap betters" like me, in a days time you would spend $18.00 on betting.

Sure, it is not the kind of customer the racetrack wants to see. I have associates, that sometimes bet up to $1000.00, on a HORSE RACE. And to them, loosing that amount of money is no big deal.

Now lets step inside the Casino Hall.

There are two elderly ladies, with grey hair playing the slot machines. They have a bucket of coins. Each time they pull the hammer, on the one arm bandit, they, most of the time, loose their money. It only takes about ten seconds to load the machine, so the conditions for loosing more exist. And the odds are always in favor of the CASINO, but we know that don't we?

Now, if the State of Kentucky can have Casino's and lets just say, for example, others are like me, cheap betters, but enjoy the sport, how can we help those that step over the edge.

There is no way, this state can pay for the health care cost and support the huge budget short fall in the present administration with Casino Gaming. PERIOD!!!

I don't know how much one of those SLOT BUCKETS at the Casino hold, but I would venture to say, it a lot more than $18.00.

In my post all I am asking people to do is read the down side of this issue. There does exist a very, very serious down side and the public needs to know this.

However, except for a blog or two where we can speak, without an EDITOR policing our comments, the net is the only place where you can disclose both sides of an issue.

You won't see THE REAL ISSUE in the newspapers and on TV. But, you can exercise your FREEDOM OF SPEECH by going to a BLOG AND EXPRESSING YOUR OPINION.

THE NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE REPORTS GAMING IS THE NUMBER ONE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE IN THE UNITED STATES.

FYI, FACTS . . .

THE SUICIDE RATE, OF CHILDREN, FROM A FAMILY WITH A COMPULSIVE GAMBLER, ARE TWO TIMES THE RATE OF THOSE THAT ARE NOT EXPOSED TO GAMING.

There are more facts, to me these stand out pretty strong. And,if we get Casinos in time 60,000 Kentucky residents will be COMPULSIVE GAMBLERS.

Don't believe it, look at the stats on Maryland. (59,000 Compulsive\Problem gambles. The Maryland stats are a little less than the amount of my demographics, but the actually truth is. . . . It is very addictive entertainment and we should not heap that on the backs of those than can least afford to loose their money.

"I just wanna say!"
Jim Anderson Stivers
Frankfort, KY.

Correction"

Maryland 52,000 compulsive gamblers.


jas

The question is simply a 'yes' or a 'no.' Did you, Hack, seek employment with KEEP and then, when rejected, oppose the casino gambling it advocates? That said, Shack's remarks re the 'Family' foundation are dead on. If they must put the term 'family' in their name, they've tried to garner credibility where none is deserved.

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