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January 06, 2008


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Mr. Hays, I assume the GAMBLING POST is yours.

May I remind you that over one million jobs have been shipped to third world countries and the Industrial Revolution, for now, is all geared toward third world country expansions.

The manufacturing environment will not return to Kentucky in the manner which we know it now. The major corporations have what they want. No EPA Regs, low wages and child labor.

Tell me . . . this isn't a true picture?

The issue of expanded gambling will not cure Kentucky financial ills, rather in time it will bring the largest bribary charges yet known to our members of the General Assembly.

The temptation is there and there exist lots of money for this issue.

I think I posted this before.


This is a CHICKEN TAX.

CHICKEN TAX= When members of the General Assembly rally around a money deal without having to raise taxes.

Is that an accountable position for our public servants? Not to this blogger.

Who benefits most from gambling casinos?

Casino owners and investors who, by and large, never gamble themselves. The state and county will get tax revenues but will spend them on the cost of increased law enforcement expense (police, courts, lawyers), treatment of addicted gamblers, increased claims for unemployment benefits, and provision of expanded roads and utilities. Casino profit after taxes and operational expense (and these are substantial) go to local investors and out-of-state owners and investors.

13. Do casinos have ways of skimming money to avoid paying taxes?

Yes, several. These are (I) kickbacks to owners. (2) fictitious operating expenses actually pocketed by managers and owners, (3) fictitious gaming losses similarly misappropriated, (4) fictitious cash advances and (5) manipulations of cash advances. A number of these practices have long been used to skim money in Nevada casinos. ("Don't Bet on It", Tom Watson 1987).

I said before, how much the state would derive from Casino Gambling is questionable.
It all depends on WHO IS COUNTING THE MONEY.

Mr. Rural Democrat, You wrote, "Casino gaming is our best option at this point in time ...We can build an empire of an educated work force with the revenues from expanded gaming. More education, better jobs, less drugs, more jobs and better paying jobs."

... is that so .. I don't expect to change your mind any but let's examine at your hypothesis.

Under you're hypothesis casinos will garner better education, better jobs, less drugs, more jobs and better paying jobs (you left out health insurance for ALL.)

If your hypothesis were correct then Nevada a state with the best educated, best paid jobs, wealthiest individuals, lowest in poverty state in the Union ... but is that reality?

Look at Nevada's stats. The casino capital of the world. If gambling was the cure-all to pay for healthcare, education and other social programs then Nevada would be top in education, have the fewest uninsured, and the lowest teen suicide rate.

1. Nevada has one of the HIGHEST drop out rate of any state in the country.

2. Nevada ranks dead LAST for the number of students who go directly to college after graduation, according to National Center for Public Policy and Higher Education.
"Nevada has one of the lowest graduation rates in 9th through 12th grades, and one of the lowest college-going rates in the country as well as one of the lowest college graduation rates," said Patrick Kelly of the National Center for Higher Education Management Systems."

3. 2007 Nevada Kids Count Data Book, produced by the Center for Business and Economic Research at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas

a. cites the number of students living in poverty has INCREASED.

b. One in five people moving to Las Vegas for low-skill service jobs have a sixth-grade education or lower, the report states. (Get that, 6th grade education level or lower - is that what we want in Ky.)

c. It (Nev. Kids Count Data Book) also blames the gaming industry, for creating disincentives for some students to remain in school - luring students away from school for low paying jobs.

4. In 2006, Nevada ranked 7th highest in the nation for the percentage of UNINSURED.

5. In 2003, Nevada had the 3rd highest percentage of uninsured children in the nation who did not receive needed care.

6. The percentage of uninsured children in Nevada has been higher than the national average every year since 1990.
Not so rosy in Nevada. The gambling industry has NOT cured Nevada's social or economic problems.

Mr. Jim A. Stivers recently posted that government is duty-bound to take care of and protect the PEOPLE of the state -- Stiver's words are fact - that IS the role of government.

To Governor Beshear I say, "Take care of the PEOPLE before the PURSE."

One more study regarding Nevada ....

The study by the Fordham Institute for Innovation in Social Policy reserved the ''social recession'' designation given to Nevada for the eight states that ranked the worst -- from 43rd to 50th -- in a composite of 16 social indicators, including such things as infant mortality and average wages, based on data from 2000.

The survey found that Nevada was 50th in the nation in suicide among the elderly and food stamp coverage,

49th in high school completion

47th in teenage drug abuse.

Nevada ranked 46th in homicides,

44th in teenage suicide.

Nevada ranked 43rd in child abuse.

Its only ranking in the top 10 was 4th for ''housing cost burden,'' a measure of the average construction cost of a house in relation to per capita income.

There's no dreams in Nevada. Is that what we want HERE, in our old Kentucky home?

Mr. Rural Democrat -

I think the facts about Nevada disprove your hypothesis. Meaning, your hypothesis on the benefits casinos have on a society is ... dead wrong.

Mr. Rural Democrat - James Stivers has been so kind to share casino info. at Polwatchers. Here's a lift of one of his posts ... seems Mr. Beshear stands to have a large capital gain if casinos pass -- 64% capital gain.

Mr. Stivers,

I just googled "Kentucky casino gambling at racetracks" and found an interesting article from National Thoroughbred Racing Association dated 11/9/2007.

Check out this paragraph:
"One of the principal players in horse-industry lobbying is the Kentucky Equine Education Project, which was formed in 2004 and two years later presented a bill to the legislature that would give the racing industry 64 percent of an estimated $1.2 billion in casino proceeds. The chairman of the organization, Brereton Jones, is a horse breeder and former Kentucky governor. During 2006, when the legislature last considered expanded gambling, the group spent millions of dollars on advertising that supported casinos at racetracks."

Did you catch the part: "two years later [KEEP] presented a bill to the legislature that would give the racing industry 64 percent of an estimated $1.2 billion in casino proceeds. The chairman of the organization, Brereton Jones, is a horse breeder and former Kentucky governor."

Do you think that's why Beshear is being so deceitful about [senator] Boswell's bill? Do you think Beshear will push for the racing industry to get 64% of casino proceeds? Man! Those are some greedy people!

We've got a high rate of both adults & children uninsured, a high poverty rate and need more funding so more children can afford college and these greedy horse people have ALREADY presented a Bill that would allow them 64% of casino proceeds. THAT'S what drives Gov. Beshear ... he stands to personally benefit from such a bill.

Posted by: BrerJoneswants64%CasinoProceeds | January 11, 2008 at 05:42 PM

Mr. Rural Democrat - Not only is your hypothesis proven wrong from actual casino data from Nevada - You're support of this bill is suspicious given your blind allegence Beshear/Mongiardo.

64% of casino proceeds to the horse industry is exactly why Beshear keeps pretending the casino bill is not on the senate floor - right now.

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