Kryptos Part 4 Solved? Method

UPDATE November 21, 2010 - NOT EVEN CLOSE

UPDATED!!!!! UPDATED!!!!! Go to the updated section below to see a new very simple method!!

UPDATE May 12, 2009: I have never claimed that I was right but I have found more messages in part 4 thAn anyone involved in Kryptos! I think I am on to something and wouldn't it be GOD's sick little joke if I was right or partially right.

Original Thread 

 I am not saying that I am right but I think this method
should be explored by some of you experts here. I have been working on
part four for 5 days and this is what I came up with.

I arranged the remaining text into 10 rows and 10 columns

 

1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
O	B	K	R	U	O	X	O	G	H
U	L	B	S	O	L	I	F	B	B
W	F	L	R	V	Q	Q	P	R	N
G	K	S	S	O	T	W	T	Q	S
J	Q	S	S	E	K	Z	Z	W	A
T	J	K	L	U	D	I	A	W	I
N	F	B	N	Y	P	V	T	T	M
Z	F	P	K	W	G	D	K	Z	X
T	J	C	D	I	G	K	U	H	U
A	U	E	K	C	A	R

I highlighted the vowels.

I rearranged the columns. I have NOT found a keyword for the arrangement.

 

	2	1	6	3	4	5	9	8	10	7
1A	B	O	O	K	R	U	G	O	H	X
2A	L	U	L	B	S	O	B	F	B	I
3A	F	W	Q	L	R	V	R	P	N	Q
4A	K	G	T	S	S	O	Q	T	S	W
5A	Q	J	K	S	S	E	W	Z	A	Z
6A	J	T	D	K	L	U	W	A	I	I
7A	F	N	P	B	N	Y	T	T	M	V
8A	F	Z	G	P	K	W	Z	K	X	D
9A	J	T	G	C	D	I	H	U	U	K
10A	U	A	A	E	K	C				R

I rearranged the rows into columns. Notice the vowel distribution!
This screams that part four is likely divided up into two parts. An
anagram and Vigenére and a key word.

 

10A

9A

1A

2A

6A

7A

8A

3A

4A

5A

1B

U

J

B

L

J

1C

F

F

F

K

Q

2B

A

T

O

U

T

2C

N

Z

W

G

J

3B

A

G

O

L

D

3C

P

G

Q

T

K

4B

E

C

K

B

K

4C

B

P

L

S

S

5B

K

D

R

S

L

5C

N

K

R

S

S

6B

C

I

U

O

U

6C

Y

W

V

O

E

7B

NA

H

G

B

W

7C

T

Z

R

Q

W

8B

NA

U

O

F

A

8C

T

K

P

T

Z

9B

NA

U

H

B

I

9C

M

X

N

S

A

10B

R

K

X

I

I

10C

V

D

Q

W

Z

I separated the rows and columns, You now have 20 sets of 5 character
rows. Some rows only have 4 chracters.

 

10A

9A

1A

2A

6A

7A

8A

3A

4A

5A

1B

U

J

B

L

J

1C

F

F

F

K

Q

2B

A

T

O

U

T

2C

N

Z

W

G

J

3B

A

G

O

L

D

3C

P

G

Q

T

K

4B

E

C

K

B

K

4C

B

P

L

S

S

5B

K

D

R

S

L

5C

N

K

R

S

S

6B

C

I

U

O

U

6C

Y

W

V

O

E

7B

NA

H

G

B

W

7C

T

Z

R

Q

W

8B

NA

U

O

F

A

8C

T

K

P

T

Z

9B

NA

U

H

B

I

9C

M

X

N

S

A

10B

R

K

X

I

I

10C

V

D

Q

W

Z

Then you take the row sets and attempt to find your message. The "O" in
the word Out is actually the first letter after the ? in part three!!

 

2B

A

T

O

U

T

O

U

T

8B

NA

U

O

F

A

OF

5B

K

D

R

S

L

9C

M

X

N

S

A

D

A

R

K

N

S

S

3B

A

G

O

L

D

A

10B

R

K

X

I

I

G

O

L

D

2C

N

Z

W

G

J

K

I

N

G

8C

T

K

P

T

Z

T

U

T

9B

NA

U

H

B

I

See the message?

Out of Darknss (darkness misspelled) A Gold King Tut

The anagram descends and you do not have to find your letters from 3
rows down or 4 rows down. You can solve the anagram by taking letters
from one row above or below. That makes this puzzle repeatable. I am
using only 9 rows in the message, I bet it is actually 10 rows, so I am
missing something.

I don't know if this is right or wrong. To self degrade myself I will
admit that I found a lot of three and four letter words. So it could be
a very strange coincidence. Elonka says it is boggle or scrabble
decoding, I disagree. You have 20 sets of 5 character rows to work with
and you have to solve your anagram using these 5 character rows NOT
individual letters from anywhere in the matrix. It is a repeatable
process.

I think the theories for part four are way to complex and over-thought.
I told Elonka that I would not be surprised if a janitor decodes this on
his lunch break at the local high school. Sanborn said himself he was
surprised no one had decoded this as of 2003, that tells me part 4 is a
simple.

I am not saying that I am right but I think I am on to something here.

Shack

UPDATED!!!!! UPDATED!!!!!

UPDATE! May 11 2009 12pm  I found more messages using a combo of methods!

4C	B	P	L	S	S
2B	A	T	O	U	T
8B	NA	U	O	F	A
4B	E	C	K	B	K
1C	F	F	F	K	Q
3B	A	G	O	L	D
5B	K	D	R	S	L
1B	U	J	B	L	J
6B	C	I	U	O	U
6C	Y	W	V	O	E
3C	P	G	Q	T	K

Message: Look Out For Gold Loot

4C	B	P	L	S	S
2B	A	T	O	U	T
8B	NA	U	O	F	A
4B	E	C	K	B	K
1C	F	F	F	K	Q
3B	A	G	O	L	D
5B	K	D	R	S	L
6B	C	I	U	O	U
9C	M	X	N	S	A
2C	N	Z	W	G	C
8C	T	K	P	T	Z
1B	U	J	B	L	J
7C	T	Z	R	Q	W

Message: Look Out For A Gold King Tut!!

7C	T	Z	R	Q	W
1B	U	J	B	L	J
8C	T	K	P	T	Z
3C	P	G	Q	T	K
9B	NA	U	H	B	I
10C	V	D	Q	W	Z
3B	A	G	O	L	D
8B	NA	U	O	F	A
2B	A	T	O	U	T
6C	Y	W	V	O	E
4B	E	C	K	B	K
4C	B	P	L	S	S
9C	M	X	N	S	A
2C	N	Z	W	G	C

Dug Tut Out Of a Gold Casket!!

Corrected!

10C	V	D	Q	W	Z
9B	NA	U	H	B	I
3B	A	G	O	L	D
2B	A	T	O	U	T
6C	Y	W	V	O	E
4B	E	C	K	B	K
4C	B	P	L	S	S
8B	NA	U	O	F	A
2C	N	Z	W	G	C
9C	M	X	N	S	A
6B	C	I	U	O	U
5B	K	D	R	S	L
7C	T	Z	R	Q	W
1B	U	J	B	L	J
8C	T	K	P	T	Z

Dug King Tut Out Of A Gold Casket!!

 

Comments

[Bill Briere]

Trust Elonka on this one.

[Will Shackelford]

I would have to agree with you. But it is repeatable.

[Sean Gursky]

You might be right about this. But I believe it says IF A KEY TO KRYPTOS IS WHAT U SEK X IN A COURTYARD YOU WILL HAVE TO DIG TO FIND A GOLD RING I HID. Also I believe he used three methods, two layers of encryption from the reference in k3. Transposition and substitution, but he set it up like scrabble. You can use one letter to make two words. I am double checking to make sure it doesn't say IN THE CIA COURTYARD. I will update you, but if I am right then i have found more than everyone and I did it with my cracker jackbox decoder ring lol. I'm only kidding about the cracker jackbox ring part.

[Sean Gursky]

In my theory it says IF A KEY TO KRYPTOS IS WHAT U SEK X IN THE CIA COURTYARD YOU WILL HAVE TO DIG X TO FIND A GOLD RING I HID. He did use scrabble, but not the way you might believe. Just the rules, not the board.

[Adam]

If he was truly using Scrabble Rules, Then he loses for not knowing how to spell...

[JAMAAL STEWART]

ALL IN MY ENTIRE 11 YEAR OLD LIFE IVE BEEN TRYING TO SOLVE KRYPTOS BUT YOU MY FRIEND IS CORRECT THIS HAS TO BE THE MESSAGE ED SCHIEDT SAID SO HIMSELF THAT THE MESSAGE WAS NOT ONLY DISGUISED IN CODE BUT ALSO AS STEGANOGRAPHY.

[Angela Renee]

an abscissa would be only the first number in an order pair. maybe "38" is the only useful number in the supposed "GPS coordinates".

Monk's Mound (MM)Cahokia Mounds has a latitude of 38. In "Layer Two"(Terrace II) There has been a mysterious large amount of stone discovered that's buried beneath it. Erecting huge earthen mounds is a way to manipulate the earth's electromagnetic field.

[sean gursky]

I have gotten a lot farther since my last posting. Scrabble seemed pretty cool, but it is not used just yet. The methods for k4 are four, substitution, transposition, cesarian shifts, ottendorf ciphers. Purposeful misspellings and stenography play a major role also. Here is my outcome...WANT Z CODE KEY FOR KS TUET ZOU KANT SEA ? TO Z CIA KQURTYARD FTN JOU MUST GO TO FINE U GD OBJ I HABE HIDEEN INSIVE X GO TO LV JS. Now my solution is time stamped. I know why these misspellings are correct. I have found the second layer. I know why the ? mark belongs in k4 and the Q belongs in k3, easy 97 characters is one answer. A computer character is a ?. If he said 97 letters then that would have ended that possibility. There are two other reasons the Q belongs in k3 which you may figure out yourself. Purposeful misspellings that seem to not have a purpose, they are misspelled so the letters can be used in the ottendorf ciphers. I know what the object is, it was easier than you think to get it past the security at the CIA and stay hidden. I have my theory mostly completed, hopefully when its done and if i have correctly deciphered the messages, you may see it soon. The second layer is pretty cool lol.

[sean gursky]

Correction WENT Z CODE KEY FOUR KS TUET ZOU KANT SEA ? TO Z CIA KQURTWARD FTN JOU MUS GO TO PINE U GD OBJ I HABE HIDEEN INSIVE X GO TO LV JS. I know for sure the ? mark belongs in k4. If I had the financial resources to buy a few things to finish this code, it would almost be done by now. I am roughly in to the 88th page of my theory and I have figured out how to verify it, It will just have to wait until I get the money I need for it. I also know that a question mark is not just a computer character before people start saying things about that part of my previous comments.

[Muntizeppa]

Why so many repeating pairs( OO BB QQ SS TT ZZ TT NN UU AA)?